Update Monday May 18, 2009:
Read my Yankee Stadium Review HERE
Update Friday April 10, 2009:
Citi Field Obstructions Petition, to read and sign click HERE.
Well, this wasn't the tone I wanted my first post of the 2009 season to be, but it has caused quite a stir among Mets fans as well as myself. Obstructed views at Citi has picked up more and more steam over the past week or so, climaxing in a rumored article that the NY Post was going to run. Again, rumor has it that the article was nixed for one reason or another. I have looked at the pictures on Baseball-Fever from Citi Field and there are some terrible, terrible design flaws. One which will be quite bothersome to me as our season tickets are the first row of the Promenade Box (we are in section 427, down the line so I am not sure how much it will really affect us) the LED screen blocks a good portion of the view. I have to admit that I am quite upset that this LED may be obstructing our view. I called my ticket manger and he told me that he knew of the pictures and that they are skewed. He went on to say that if we do not like the seats after the first game that we could move; does he really believe that! Anyway, below are images (click to make them bigger) and a portion of open letter that a user named 'Saltzy' posted on Baseball-Fever, which I thought everyone should read. Look at these images closely and see how retarded some of these obstructed views at CitiField really are:
"I feel as though I have a story that you should be interested in. I am a die hard, 162 game a year Mets fan. Over the course of the last few years a
group of people have had an ongoing conversation regarding construction
of the Mets new home, CitiField. The message board I am referring to
is HERE ;........
Last Friday, 2/13, I was invited on a tour of Citi Field. Due to my
ongoing dialogue on this forum I knew of several areas in the park that
seemed to certainly offer some level of obstruction, in a park that has
been promised to us will have 'sitelines like no other', with little or
no obstructions.
I was able to make my way over to these areas and document seats that
offered obstructions that blew my mind. There are several issues.
Listed in order of severity from least to worst, the railing from the
1st row throughout the Promenade Level, the staircases leading up to
the Promenade Reserve, and easily the worst, the LED ribbon running
along the length of the Promenade Box/Club Seats.
Here are some examples of the seats I am referring to:
Railing/Staircase Obstructions:
LED Obstructions:
There are 3 sections of either side of home plate in the Promenade Club
sections, where the 1st row is considered 'Premium seating' that are
100% affected by this LED obstruction. (Sections 406-408 on the 1st
base side, Sections 421-423 on the 3rd base side) Each picture was
taken sitting in the seat, and meant to offer as objective a view as
possible from that seat as someone there would get. As you can see,
20%-25% of the field is blocked, including a large portion of home
plate and 1st base line. I am 5'7" and needed to strain my neck to see
the entire home plate area. These seats are $75 each. The seats further
down the lines are $35. These LED boards are unnecessary, and
completely absurd. Something MUST be done about this. The thought of a
father taking his son to Opening Day this year, only to realize they
cannot see home plate has been haunting me since I sat in these seats,
forget about the people that have spent over $6,000 per seat for full
season tickets. In advance, I will acknowledge that the Mets have
labeled the seats by the staircases(facing towards home, for the 1st 2
rows, 1st 4 seats) obstructed, and are not selling full season tickets
in them. The ones that face the outfield are equally as bad in my
opinion, and are not labeled as such.
Based on the replies I got after posting these pictures(almost 500 in 3
days, MANY from people directly affected by these obstructions), in
addition to hearing outcries about obstructions at the new Yankee
Stadium that are far less severe,and cost a fraction of the price I am
convinced that this is a legit story that needs to get out to my fellow
Mets fans that have been duped into these seats at outrageous prices
with no knowledge of these obstructions."
Well, there you have it. If you are affected by these seats, contact me, contact your ticket manager at Shea, let your voice be heard. I am missing Shea more and more.
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CitiField Debacle, The Much Talked About Obstructed Views
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Re: CitiField Debacle, The Much Talked About Obstructed Views
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Anonymous
on Sat 21 Feb 2009 09:19 AM EST | Permanent Link
If you look at the view from within the 3D-Seat generator from the sections you indicate is a problem, you do not see the ribbon board on the railing. But if you pan to the right (on the first base side) you will see the board mounted below the railing. This is definitely a screw up of major proportions. The question is why were the boards mounted so high? Did they have no choice based on something we cannot see? What ever the reason you are correct that the Mets are going to have to do something. There is not much they can do about the stairways. Why they changed from the original drawing to these instead of the more traditional portals is anyone's guess. Leave it to the Mets to f#%@ up something like this. Although, Yankee Stadium with its center field restaurant obstructing several hundred fans from seeing half the field is no pinnacle of design virtue either. If you look at the view from within the 3D-Seat generator from the sections you indicate is a problem, you do not see the ribbon board on the railing. But if you pan to the right (on the first base side) you will see the board mounted below the railing. This is definitely a screw up of major proportions. The question is why were the boards mounted so high? Did they have no choice based on something we cannot see? What ever the reason you are correct that the Mets are going to have to do something. There is not much they can do about the stairways. Why they changed from the original drawing to these instead of the more traditional portals is anyone's guess. Leave it to the Mets to f#%@ up something like this. Although, Yankee Stadium with its center field restaurant obstructing several hundred fans from seeing half the field is no pinnacle of design virtue either. I wrote an article about this on my blog (neverforget69.metsblog.com) a few days ago. Keep putting the pressure on. The Mets cannot open their "world class" facility with such blatant flaws!
Re: Re: CitiField Debacle, The Much Talked About Obstructed Views
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sectionsixmets
on Mon 23 Feb 2009 05:56 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
It is appalling! Why did they decide to change the design, that is the million dollar question. Why did they allow for such a terribly placed LED in prime location seats! Another great question. I know nothing will be done about it, I just hope that the word spreads and ownership hears LOUD and CLEAR that as a paying customer this is 100% unacceptable. By the way, great work on your blog, I enjoyed reading it.
Spread the word about the flaws! Re: CitiField Debacle, The Much Talked About Obstructed Views
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jmp
on Sun 22 Feb 2009 10:27 PM EST | Permanent Link
Since you've been in CitiField, maybe you can answer a question I've had about the new ballpark.
Are the box seats really box seats? I've noticed that at a lot of the newer ballparks (especially other HOK-designed ones), "box seats" is a euphemism for the first few rows of a level, not actual box seats. In my mind, box seats are like the box seats at Shea, or the old Yankee Stadium, where the seats are configured so that you're never more than a handful of seats from an aisle. In some of the newer ballparks, the "box seats" have as many as 24 seats between two aisles, which is way too many. This is particularly important to me because I go to ballgames with my young children. As much as I'd like my kids to be able to sit in their seats the entire game, it's just not possible, so either my wife or I end up having to take one or the other of them out a few times a game. It's also very hard to have people climb over us during the game, since we inevitably have to have a diaper bag, bottles, etc. So, we've found that it's absolutely worthwhile to spend the extra bucks to get box seats. That way, we're neither in a position of climbing over someone or having someone else climb over us. I'd be very disappointed if it turns out that the seats called "Promenade Box" or "Field Box" aren't really box seats. Are they? If they aren't all real box seats, are there any real box seats without having to go to the super-expensive seats? Re: Re: CitiField Debacle, The Much Talked About Obstructed Views
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sectionsixmets
on Mon 23 Feb 2009 05:50 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
I have not been to CitiField, the information in this post was gathered from Baseball-Fever, I provided links in the post. Over at Baseball-Fever there have been people who have toured the stadium, this is where I received my information.
As to your question about "box seats", at Shea we had box seats in the Mez section and in Citi we are in "box seats" which have seats 23 and 24 of the row. So yes, they are traditional box seats but just the lower rows of the section. Re: CitiField Debacle, The Much Talked About Obstructed Views
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Anonymous
on Mon 13 Apr 2009 12:37 PM EDT | Permanent Link
you know, citizens bank park doesn't have obstructed seats. just saying...
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